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Old 01-25-2007, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverJacquie
Personally, I would hope that my ex could wait for at least a little while-at least a month, so that my child could sort out his feelings with help from me (if he asked) and a therapist. And, if my child did decide to re-establish a connection, I would hope that my ex would understand that it might have to be taken extremely slowly at first, so that my child could learn to trust again.
Holy crap! Jacquie and I agree about something

Although DSS did want the connection, we went very slowly. For his sake.
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Old 01-25-2007, 10:29 PM
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Interesting reaction...
I know the definition of attack, as well as the definition of more words than most. I have an affinity for the English language, and all that it encompasses. Thank you,though

I meant her particular joke. I saw attacks coming from you as well. Particularly in your derision toward Jac, and insinuating that she wasn't particularly bright. The quote you chose, and the post she was referring to, didn't appear to be attacks, just disagreements. KWIM?

I don't want to get involved in that part,though. I'd prefer it if it wasn't personal. I'd rather talk about the subject

I agree with Jac as well. I'd want therapy, and slow, gradual inclusion into my child's life. If, miraculously, my ex becomes a good person several years from now, I would be willing to do that with my son.
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Old 01-26-2007, 02:31 AM
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Although DSS did want the connection, we went very slowly. For his sake.
I just think it's interesting that he has been upgraded from "the child" to the more affectionate "DSS".

I wonder how he managed to get into your good graces.
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Old 01-26-2007, 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by jacie
I agree with everything you said other than the 40% statistic. The statistic does say that the mothers withheld access to 'punish' the father and admitted the child was not in any danger visiting the father. This means to me that the blockage was, indeed, vindictive.
I'm sill calling BS on it (and I actually read the link this time). Was it one time? Multiple times? During or after divorce proceedings? Long time? Short time? There's just not enough information in the figure to conclude that 40% of divorced women are bitches. And it's still not the majority. I know you feel that your DH got burned by the system and I do agree that it can happen. I just don't believe that the majority of men have their paternal rights disrespected by the courts due to gender bias. I know there can be improvement to the system but it does no good to focus on the extreme cases.

Oh, there's no way to delete your account. You can request to be banned but really, you're an adult, if you don't want to post here, don't.

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Old 01-26-2007, 03:39 AM
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I think I will remain on the ttc board, it is really good, and move along as far as far as the debating goes.
Yet, you still continue to post. Why make statements that you cannot follow through with?
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Old 01-26-2007, 04:45 AM
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Although DSS did want the connection, we went very slowly. For his sake.
Now, in your past posts didn't you say that you found out the child was living with his grandmother, and you immediately sued for custody? Clarification please.
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Old 01-26-2007, 04:52 AM
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I agree with everything you said except that I am not being attacked. Definition of attack:

–verb (used with object)
1. to set upon in a forceful, violent, hostile, or aggressive way, with or without a weapon; begin fighting with: He attacked him with his bare hands.
2. to begin hostilities against; start an offensive against: to attack the enemy.
3. to blame or abuse violently or bitterly.
4. to direct unfavorable criticism against; criticize severely; argue with strongly: He attacked his opponent's statement.
5. to try to destroy, esp. with verbal abuse: to attack the mayor's reputation.
6. to set about (a task) or go to work on (a thing) vigorously: to attack housecleaning; to attack the hamburger hungrily.
7. (of disease, destructive agencies, etc.) to begin to affect.
–verb (used without object)
8. to make an attack; begin hostilities.
–noun
9. the act of attacking; onslaught; assault.
10. a military offensive against an enemy or enemy position.
11. Pathology. seizure by disease or illness: an attack of indigestion.
12. the beginning or initiating of any action; onset.
13. an aggressive move in a performance or contest.
14. the approach or manner of approach in beginning a musical phrase.
Also, please quit plagiarizing. I've mentioned it to you once before. This is what, 2x in the same thread (Or twice in two weeks).
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Old 01-26-2007, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilGeniusMomma
I just think it's interesting that he has been upgraded from "the child" to the more affectionate "DSS".

I wonder how he managed to get into your good graces.
Actually, I call him by his first name in real life. The only reason why I have called him 'the child' is in reference to him and other children in general, when it comes to court matters. I don't cal him DSS in real life, either.

You insinuate that I don't treat him with affection?
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Old 01-26-2007, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ForeverJacquie
Also, please quit plagiarizing. I've mentioned it to you once before. This is what, 2x in the same thread (Or twice in two weeks).
So sue me.
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Old 01-26-2007, 10:27 AM
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So sue me.
Since you clearly don't care I did report you just now. This is not a joke, it's not an attack. SK can get into trouble for your indiscretions.
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Old 01-26-2007, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ForeverJacquie
Now, in your past posts didn't you say that you found out the child was living with his grandmother, and you immediately sued for custody? Clarification please.
Actually, no Jacquie. You assumed that.

We started out very gradual...initially with afternoon visits in the grandmother's home, then an hour at the park, progressing to unsupervised access for about six hours. Problem was, that was all they were going to allow. DSS was told that he would not be permitted to visit the city we live until he was nineteen. That is a little too gradual.

The court proceedings were ongoing, starting out with us asking for a date to discuss a change in the visitation order. We also asked BM to sit down with a mediator or counsellor but she would not compromise whatsoever.
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Old 01-26-2007, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ForeverJacquie
Since you clearly don't care I did report you just now. This is not a joke, it's not an attack. SK can get into trouble for your indiscretions.
Good! Maybe I will get banned, since I cannot delete my account.
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Old 01-26-2007, 11:41 AM
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While that is a bannable offence, so is calling others names. (not to mention immature)

Also, I agree with many points by Myantec and Veiled.

I do really wish some more debates would come up other than about fathers though. I just wish I could think of something that wasn't mentioned 1000's of times.
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Old 01-26-2007, 11:49 AM
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While that is a bannable offence, so is calling others names.
As far as I know they changed their policy IRT the debate board. Everything goes (names wise) Unless they changed it back, which I am not aware of. So yes, it's immature, but not bannable.
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Old 01-26-2007, 11:51 AM
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Actually, no Jacquie. You assumed that.

We started out very gradual...initially with afternoon visits in the grandmother's home, then an hour at the park, progressing to unsupervised access for about six hours. Problem was, that was all they were going to allow. DSS was told that he would not be permitted to visit the city we live until he was nineteen. That is a little too gradual.

The court proceedings were ongoing, starting out with us asking for a date to discuss a change in the visitation order. We also asked BM to sit down with a mediator or counsellor but she would not compromise whatsoever.
Yes, I assumed it. Because that's how your ineffective posts read at the time. Which is why I asked for clarification. To quote at least one of my betters "Good Maude".
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Old 01-26-2007, 12:11 PM
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Emaline,
my oldest son's dad came back into his life when he was about 7, saw him mayb four or five times that year.
Then he disappeared again until my son was about ten. From that time on, he took him once at Christmas, once during the summer and sometimes once on spring break. This lasted for about 6 years.... (he lives about 45 minutes away, so it's not like he is THAT far) Since my son turned 17, there has been almost no contact. Sometimes the dad calls me up drunk, sneaking a call in on the basement phone while his wife is upstairs with the toddlers... Oh, and he called me to yell at me a month or two ago because FAmily maintenance wanted to review his income, (he only pays 185/month right now but makes about 40 grand a year)... other than that there has been no contact, he has been drinking quite a bit again, and wrapped up in his own life. My son will be 18 in April, he is in grade twelve, doing well and graduating this year. He also works. He is very mature and responsible for his age, and I told him it's his call.... His dad used to beat the crud out of me when he drank, and he and his alcoholic brothers made my life hell for the short time I was married to him (16-18) I dont mean to bring my personal feelings into it, but that whole side of the family has issues with crime, alcohol abuse, sexual abuse and it is NOT a situation I ever wanted my son in.
When, for a few years it seemed like his dad had really gotten his sh*t together, pulled away from his family and started anew, I had hope... but I see he is just falling into a familiar pattern, and I will support my son in whatever choice he makes. I am really, really proud of him

If the situation was different, if my son was younger and hurt because his father was immature and had f-d off for those beginning years, I would have supported the rebuilding of a relationship. I would try to make it as smooth as possible for all involved because first and foremost, I just want my kids to grow up feeling, loved, secure, stable and valued.
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Old 01-26-2007, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by veiledexpressions
I saw attacks coming from you as well. Particularly in your derision toward Jac, and insinuating that she wasn't particularly bright.
I am insinuating she is not bright? She has come right out and said I was stupid many, many times. I have been pretty good about not telling her what I think of her. Not perfect, but pretty good.
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Old 01-26-2007, 12:50 PM
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I am insinuating she is not bright? She has come right out and said I was stupid many, many times. I have been pretty good about not telling her what I think of her. Not perfect, but pretty good.
So are you invoking the two wrongs make a right rule?
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Old 01-26-2007, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Myantek
I know you feel that your DH got burned by the system and I do agree that it can happen.
Actually, I really don't think DH got burned. I do think the court system is way too slow. The kids suffer while waiting for court dates. When we finally did get a hearing we got exactly what we asked for.

There are some things about the system that make it difficult for men. For instance, an unmarried woman has automatic guardianship while the father has no guardianship. This is our case, we are pending trial asking for shared guardianship. Right now we have no access to his school or teachers, or his report card. This would be okay if BM would provide us with a copy of his report card, etc. But she does not, and has phoned the school telling them not to allow DH on property. Now, I have faith that once we get our day (again) in court DH will be awarded guardianship. But, had DH been given guardianship from day one, like the mother has, we would not have to go to court.

I just don't believe that the majority of men have their paternal rights disrespected by the courts due to gender bias. I know there can be improvement to the system but it does no good to focus on the extreme cases.
That is what I thought until I started talking to men who were being burned. There are far too many. Too many for me not to care and to speak out.
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Originally Posted by ForeverJacquie
As far as I know they changed their policy IRT the debate board. Everything goes (names wise) Unless they changed it back, which I am not aware of. So yes, it's immature, but not bannable.
YEP ANYTHING GOES... for the most part...
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