I have to address this because it's not quite true and I hate giving the opposition the ammunition. It has been shown that there is a genetic component of sexuality but that it may be influenced by environmental factors. To say that there is a "gay gene" is seriously simplifying human sexuality. So not exactly genetic and not exactly a choice but somewhere in between.


These so-called scientists are focusing on serious issues. The mapping of the human genome is an important step in determining the causes, effects and ultimately the cure ofr cancers. Unfortunately you wouldn't care about that because their work hinges strongly on evolution and we all know how you feel about that.

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I find it really amusing when christians pick and choose which parts of the bible they adhere too....
how about eating animals with hooves?
how about not taking part in pagan festivities (aka CHRISTMAS,EASTER, etc)
When i have more time, i'll get into better detail. Iver erad the bible front to back.

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Oh, sorry. I didn't realize I hit the 'a' it should have been twit.

Now you're just being a b*tch. And no, that isn't Christian like. We did the best we could with our son. We don't know that he didn't victimize one of our other boys. Are the choices he made my fault? No. He made bad choices all on his own. This is my point really with what we have been talking about. I don't care what you say or what scientists say they have found, God is the one I trust is truth.

I have already done this many times in past debates. Did it change your mind? Nope. So why should I do it again? The Bible clearly states homosexuality is an abomination,(sexual sin) so please tell me why God would create someone with tendencies to be with someone(sexually)of the same sex? It's absolutely ridiculous. THAT is proof of it being a choice. You won't believe it because you are so dead set against that idea, you won't even let yourself think it could be true.

I do care that they find a cure for cancer and I don't really care how they do it, but when they start pushing evolution as fact, they are going beyond just finding cures for cancer. Evolution is theory, not fact.

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The Bible says 'It is not what goes into your mouth that defiles you, it is what comes out of your mouth that defiles you' so the laws on what we can eat were changed. Of course there are some people who still won't eat pork or certain seafoods, but it is based on Old Testament laws.

I celebrate these holidays and remember the birth, death and ressurection of Christ. I don't celebrate them as pagan holidays. I also celebrate Halloween because it is just a fun time for the kids, not because I am worshipping satan.

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I don't believe I've ever engaged in this discussion with you before. When I was on SK in the past, I was rather timid, and chose to avoid certain subjects. I have only encountered you a few times, and was always respectful. Today,though, you pushed me past small pedantic retaliations. I was being a *****, yes.. Though, that gives me fodder for another discussion.

Certain environments seem to be more likely to produce a child who acts out. It's often homes that have unrealistic guidelines. I grew up in a home like this. My sister was the one who chose to test the limits. I'm not saying your home was like this, but it would make an interesting debate (the subject, not you.)

It's not that I am shutting out yourside because of a blind belief in my side. I question EVERYTHING. I was taught, growing up, that homosexuality was a choice, and a sin. Life has taught me differently. One of my best friends nearly killed herself because of self loathing. She was always attracted to females, and never males. I can't tell you the number of times she cried on my shoulder about this. She used to question why God would do this to her (she grew up in a very christian home). She wanted to die since she couldn't make it right in her head. Luckily, she learned to accept who she was. Even her mother came around and understood.

I have seen too many situations like these. No one would make a choice to live like that, unless they were generally an ill person who enjoyed pain. I assure you, my friend wasn't one of them.

This is touchy for me. Perhaps I was jumping around a bit out of frustration. I don't think you see where I'm coming from either.

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Jen, I am sorry for how I have spoken to you. We have always been respectful to each other. I've just been on edge lately and not having had this discussion for quite some time, well, my defensiveness came out. I do apologize.

As far as my son, I don't feel we had unrealistic guidelines. We had rules that we expected to be followed, he had boudaries that we felt we reasonable, but he pushed them and became involved in criminal activities. We believe in rewarding our children and with our oldest, we had him set up to earn some big ticket items(one of which was a basketball hoop)but he had a certain image he wanted to maintain and it was that of a "bad boy" and well, now he is with a bunch of them. I don't feel we did anything wrong, he just made some bad choices.

With homosexuality, I believe it is a sin, I will always believe it is a sin. I also believe it is a choice. You say no one would choose to live like that, but they do, people make bad choices all the time regardless of the feelings of others or consequences they may face.

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I apologize as well. I just overreacted to the "twat" comment, and well, it showed in the other thread as well. I can be a condescending b*tch at times. My poor husband

I know that people make bad choices all of the time, but they're usually decisions that lead to a situation in which they're stuck. If this was a choice, it would have been easy for her to change her feelings, and make life easy on herself. She was a virgin, and not in a relationship. There were no strings attached. This was how she felt. These were the people she found attractive. That's why I just can't imagine it being a concious choice. It just wouldn't make sense.

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This statement is truly sad. You're right, talking about God most likely will not make a difference with a child that has problems or as you put it, "makes bad choices". But to say he's paying the price? That sounds so very cold. Children make bad choices for a reason, not because they want to have a "bad boy image". If they want that image, there is a reason behind it. What is the reason for a child to want to come off as being bad?

Sexuality is not a "bad choice". In the other thread you said you picked the boy and went after him and kissed him. Why did you pick a boy? It was your internal instinct, internal desire, nothing a 9 yr old would know to choose. It wasn't a choice to like a boy, it was choice to like THAT boy.