Yeah, that's right, I want you. I was actually ignoring you, apparently you can't take a hint.

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No, you're wrong, normally I am respectful of beliefs different than my own. It's just when I see someone who was born straight say they understand this, and that it's a choice, that it bothers the hell out of me. You don't know what it's like to have crushes on females. You don't choose who you are physically attracted to.

Did you conciously choose every little crush in school? Does a little girl choose to think little Tommy is cute? This is simple logic. SIMPLE Think about it.. Don't regurgitate nonsense. It's as simple as looking at your crushes, which people made your heart go "a flutter", and understanding that those weren't choices, but natural reactions.

Yes, it's a choice who we end up with, whether we're happy or not. It is not a choice as to who we're attracted to. We can't condition ourselves to be attracted to someone we're not. I asked my husband if he could force himself to be attracted to me, he replied, " Hell no, no way at all". Ask yourself if you could force yourself to be attracted to women (religion aside), not that you would, but if it's even possible.

"Recovered Gays" are either bisexuals, or people who force themselves to be with the opposite sex despite same sex attractions. Would you want to be with a "recovered gay"? I know I wouldn't, I'd always know he wasn't physically attracted to me, no matter how well he faked it.

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That's supposed to be, "I asked my husband if he could force himself to be attracted to MEN not ME lol Wow, that sounds terrible

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Well, I'm sorry that you can't respect my beliefs. Being gay IS a choice. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion. Quite honestly, it bothers the hell out of me too when people tell me I am wrong, so I can understand that much.

Yep, and to say you don't choose that is absurd. I did choose who I thought was cute and who wasn't.

Like you are, okay, I won't.

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No, I've BTDT ,you obviously haven't. To say you conciously choose who you have a crush on is rather laughable. I think I'll start a thread and ask

That initial, hormone driven feeling is not concious. The decision to do something about it , however, is. See? Two separate things. It's complicated, I know

I understand the drive behind most of this. People who are naturally straight find this "sin" easy to isolate, as they will never even have the "temptation", so , sitting up on that proverbial high horse is simple. Certain people like when things are nice and easy like that. Unfortunately, it makes things difficult for others.

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Why is Veiled's position an opinion and you state yours as fact?

Really. So the perverts who pray on children and say they are attracted to them,(take for example John Mark Carr in the Jon Bonet Ramsey case)that isn't a choice? Hell yes it's a choice and a disgusting one(also one of which is against God)at that.

Actually my opinion is biblically based, which for me, is more fact than her opinion.

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Okay, you just took a discussion about homosexuality to the realm of pedophiles.
I can no longer discuss this with you. The fact that that connects in your mind, is clearly indicative of twisted perceptions.

It has been STRONGLY proven that being gay is NOT choice.

Choosing to do drugs or molest children in not even close to comparing to being BORN gay.

GOD does not want anyone to hate, reglardless of sexual preferance.

Would you disown your own child if he were to come out?

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You twat, I'm not comparing the 2. I thought we were talking about choices. You make me laugh.

Oh that's right, the "gay gene" So these so called scientists(who btw should be focusing harder on more serious things like...oh I don't know, finding a cure for cancer.)know more than God does. Good to know.

I have not compared these things. They are all CHOICES. Good lord.

Never said He did. He does however say it is a sin to sleep with someone of the same sex, therefore, it is a choice because He would not create a person to do that. Hate, no, we are not to hate. You all seem to think that just because I think homosexuality is wrong I automatically hate gay people and that is just so far from the truth.

This is a question I can't answer because it is one of those "I'll cross that bridge when/if I come to it" things. I know that I will be teaching my children that it is wrong, that it is a sin. Hopefully they won't make that choice. I actually just met a girl who is a lesbian and she feels the exact same way. She has a daughter(she was in a previous relationship with a man) and she is teaching her that mommy's choices are wrong. She isn't currently in a relationship with a woman, she is trying to stay abstinent for the sake of her daughter and God.

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Wow, how incredibly Christian like of you! I remember, you're immune to such judgement,though. Will you pray for forgiveness tonight? I'm sorry your vocabulary is so limited that you have to resort to vulgarity. Do you say that around your children? Are you sure you're completely innocent when it comes to your oldest's "acting out"?

You want to use simplistic derision your posts,expect me to bite back I'm at least ten years younger than you, and I don't even behave in that manner.

I'll make this simple for you.
We were discussing choices, yes. I do not believe a person chooses the person they are attracted to. Acting on that attraction is where the choice lies. Studies have shown the correlation between pedophiles and sexual abuse as children. They experience this, and their perceptions become skewed, and this is a result.
They weren't naturally this way. If they were, then it is an abnormality that needs to be worked on. They cannot be allowed to act on this, as it hurts another and creates a victim.

Homosexuality is entirely different. I hate to use the apples to oranges cliche, but it it applies here. Sexuality is inherent, but not black and white. Homosexuality is generally a part of a person's life before they even think about sex. They are attracted to children of their own gender before large doses of hormones come into play.
Despite how you try to simplify it for yourself, and state that they come from bad homes, it isn't true. In my experience, many came from loving, CHRISTIAN homes. Oftentimes, the parents lost their children because the child "came out".
Yes, some homosexuals are really people who are confused about sexuality because of sexual abuse.MOST , however, have never been abused, and were raised in stable, loving homes, and were normal, happy kids.

It seems homosexuality leaves a bad taste in your mouth, so to speak (no pun intended), and calling it a choice makes it easier to pass judgement.

Please do provide passages in the Bible that SPECIFICALLY say that homosexuality is a choice, since you use that book as your basis for an opinion.

I'm glad I could amuse you It takes a bit more to amuse me,though.

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If it's as simple as a choice, why doesn't she find a suitable man to marry? Why abstain ? She could pick a responsible, hard working man, regardless of appearance (because we choose what we find attractive ) , and marry him.

I have to address this because it's not quite true and I hate giving the opposition the ammunition. It has been shown that there is a genetic component of sexuality but that it may be influenced by environmental factors. To say that there is a "gay gene" is seriously simplifying human sexuality. So not exactly genetic and not exactly a choice but somewhere in between.


These so-called scientists are focusing on serious issues. The mapping of the human genome is an important step in determining the causes, effects and ultimately the cure ofr cancers. Unfortunately you wouldn't care about that because their work hinges strongly on evolution and we all know how you feel about that.

Stacey

I find it really amusing when christians pick and choose which parts of the bible they adhere too....
how about eating animals with hooves?
how about not taking part in pagan festivities (aka CHRISTMAS,EASTER, etc)
When i have more time, i'll get into better detail. Iver erad the bible front to back.

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Oh, sorry. I didn't realize I hit the 'a' it should have been twit.

Now you're just being a b*tch. And no, that isn't Christian like. We did the best we could with our son. We don't know that he didn't victimize one of our other boys. Are the choices he made my fault? No. He made bad choices all on his own. This is my point really with what we have been talking about. I don't care what you say or what scientists say they have found, God is the one I trust is truth.

I have already done this many times in past debates. Did it change your mind? Nope. So why should I do it again? The Bible clearly states homosexuality is an abomination,(sexual sin) so please tell me why God would create someone with tendencies to be with someone(sexually)of the same sex? It's absolutely ridiculous. THAT is proof of it being a choice. You won't believe it because you are so dead set against that idea, you won't even let yourself think it could be true.

I do care that they find a cure for cancer and I don't really care how they do it, but when they start pushing evolution as fact, they are going beyond just finding cures for cancer. Evolution is theory, not fact.

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The Bible says 'It is not what goes into your mouth that defiles you, it is what comes out of your mouth that defiles you' so the laws on what we can eat were changed. Of course there are some people who still won't eat pork or certain seafoods, but it is based on Old Testament laws.

I celebrate these holidays and remember the birth, death and ressurection of Christ. I don't celebrate them as pagan holidays. I also celebrate Halloween because it is just a fun time for the kids, not because I am worshipping satan.

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I don't believe I've ever engaged in this discussion with you before. When I was on SK in the past, I was rather timid, and chose to avoid certain subjects. I have only encountered you a few times, and was always respectful. Today,though, you pushed me past small pedantic retaliations. I was being a *****, yes.. Though, that gives me fodder for another discussion.

Certain environments seem to be more likely to produce a child who acts out. It's often homes that have unrealistic guidelines. I grew up in a home like this. My sister was the one who chose to test the limits. I'm not saying your home was like this, but it would make an interesting debate (the subject, not you.)

It's not that I am shutting out yourside because of a blind belief in my side. I question EVERYTHING. I was taught, growing up, that homosexuality was a choice, and a sin. Life has taught me differently. One of my best friends nearly killed herself because of self loathing. She was always attracted to females, and never males. I can't tell you the number of times she cried on my shoulder about this. She used to question why God would do this to her (she grew up in a very christian home). She wanted to die since she couldn't make it right in her head. Luckily, she learned to accept who she was. Even her mother came around and understood.

I have seen too many situations like these. No one would make a choice to live like that, unless they were generally an ill person who enjoyed pain. I assure you, my friend wasn't one of them.

This is touchy for me. Perhaps I was jumping around a bit out of frustration. I don't think you see where I'm coming from either.

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