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I have a question about 9/11.

Does anyone believe that the our government had anything to do with the collapse of the World Trade Centers and the attack on the Pentagon?

I am sorry if this has been debated before.

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Debbie

Host of Due in July 2006 - Hot Tots

My opinion is that they did not. I do tend to shy away from most political/government issues....so I only speak of my opinion and not anything that I've read or heard. I suppose anything is possible.....that would be a horrible thing though.

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I am not into politics either... BUT

The reason I ask this is because my dh has been reading a lot on this and has massive video footage of different things that have even swayed me to believe that it is possible that the government is indeed involved. I know this may sound crazy as I thought my husband was nuts when he first mentioned it. He was googling something, I cant remember what, and came across some 9/11 videos.

I know this is in the past to some but their are many unanswered questions and watching the footage of those towers falling just really gets to me.

What swayed me to believe that this is possible is seeing how the twin towers were built. They were built to withstand terrorist attacks (ie, planes crashing into them), fire, EXTREMELY HOT temperatures as steel does not melt or warp until 2,775 degrees and jet fuel burns at an estimate temperature of 1400 degrees, hurricanes or extreme winds. They were SO tall that they had to be built in a way to survive extreme conditions. There have been many buildings made of lower grade steel, take the Windsor Tower in Madrid, Spain... it caught on fire in February 2005 and burned for 24 hours and did not collapse and did not show any sign of collapse. The South Tower collapsed first within 56 minutes and only took 10 seconds to fall completely to the ground. The North Tower collapsed within 1 hour and 13 minutes and took 10 seconds to fall. There was absolutely NO resistance when they fell and the South Tower should have toppled over but it didnt. They both just fell straight down.

Zogby International did a poll of 1200 Americans... here is the link

http://www.zogby.com/features/features.dbm?ID=231

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Debbie

Host of Due in July 2006 - Hot Tots

No, but neither did Iraq and we seemed to have placed the blame on them.

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"Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged." -- Ronald Reagan

No they are not to blame.

Do you think it was Bin Laden?

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Debbie

Host of Due in July 2006 - Hot Tots

Also, I have a lot information based on facts that may make you a little more open minded. It really makes me sick to actually think that the Bush Administration could be behind it, as well as Larry Silverstein but a lot of people do think it was an inside job.

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Debbie

Host of Due in July 2006 - Hot Tots

Yes.

I'm sure you can find anything that would lead you to believe our government did it, just as you can find anything proving Bin Laden did it. With Bush as our country idiot, it wouldn't surprise me. Maybe that would explain why we went into Iraq, to take the heat off of the government. I really don't know.

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"Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged." -- Ronald Reagan

I have to agree that Bush is our country's idiot. I also agree that its an explaination as to why we went into Iraq.

Here is just a SMALL amount of "coincidences"

Its funny that $40 million dollars was spent on the Clinton Scandal with Monica and only $600,000 was spent on the 9/11 attacks.

Pieces of steel that weigh twice as much as the plane that hit the towers were lodged in all the surrounding buildings and those still buildings still stand.

WTC building #7 - this is a real doozy... this building was blocks away and did not get hit. It was hit with small debris from the twin towers collapse and it collapsed around 5pm... 6 hours later. Whats in this building? The Secret Service, The CIA, The Mayors bunker, FEMA, and corporate files pertaining to all fraud cases like Enron and WorldCom.

Is it coincidental that a governement official called the Mayor of San Fransisco on 9/10, who was suppose to go to NY on 9/11, and warned him not to fly to NY?

Is it coincidental that over half of the "suicide terrorists" that were on the planes that hit the WTC are still alive and well.

Is is coincidental that Larry Silverstein (investor) purchased a 99 year lease for the WTC 6 weeks prior to 9/11. He bought an insurance policy with an additional special clause that the WTC was protected against terrorist attacks that was worth 3.5 billion in addition to the original insurance policy.

I could go on and on. There is so much more evidence... believe me.

I know you say that we can find anything about Bush being behind 9/11 but there is really a lot of information from video footage that is just overwhelming. I am not saying that Bush did it but he knew about it.

I am sure many people do not want to rehash this but if indeed 9/11 was an inside job, dont you think another investigation should be started? The people that lost family members to this are pushing for a real investigation.

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Debbie

Host of Due in July 2006 - Hot Tots

[QUOTE} Is is coincidental that Larry Silverstein (investor) purchased a 99 year lease for the WTC 6 weeks prior to 9/11. He bought an insurance policy with an additional special clause that the WTC was protected against terrorist attacks that was worth 3.5 billion in addition to the original insurance policy.

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I am sorry, that should say that the TOTAL worth of the policy was 3.5 billion, not in addition. There was an additional clause put in in reference to the terror attacks. Sorry

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Debbie

Host of Due in July 2006 - Hot Tots

sorry the typos!

I am nursing my baby... geez I cant type!

No, I don't think our government was involved at all. I hate Bush, but there is simply no evidence to suggest such a thing.

The Twin Towers were built to withstand an impact by a jet, but not the subsequent massive fire as a result of the jet fuel. The impact and the enormous amount of heat generated by the 11,000 gallons of jet fuel compromised the integrity of the steel structure, which caused them both to collapse.

The only way anyone can possibly blame the administration is to blame them for not taking more action when they heard there were rumors of an attack. However, hindsight is 20/20. It's easy to look back in time and connect the dots, but not to easy to look forward and add the dots. Unless our government knew the exact plans, they are not responsible in any way.

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The initial impact burned off probably 3/4 of the jet fuel in a huge fireball. Fire burning with a lack of oxygen puts off more smoke, the less oxygen recieved. If you noticed when you watch the attack itself, you see a giant fireball exploding off the side of the towers upon impact, and as the fire burns, smoke puffs out of the collision area.

Also, you can see that the fires are minor and only spread a few floors. There were only two enclosed fires, that would've taken two hoses to get rid of.

Point blank; if the fires were truly as hot as they said they were, it would've been a huge raging fire, not smoke.

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Debbie

Host of Due in July 2006 - Hot Tots

I don't understand why this is a coincidence, but I am horrified at what we've spent so far (trillions?) and yet, Bin Laden is still running around making videos. We've deposed and supported the killing of a man who did nothing to us and yet, can't catch the one responsible for the murder of 3,000 people.



It was the heat that collapsed the towers, not the impact.


Did you look any of this stuff up? This building was not "blocks" away, it was across the street from the block containing the twin towers and separated by one building from WTC 1. It was affected by the falling debris and then by fire.


According to this SF news article:

For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security - - a full eight hours before yesterday's string of terrorist attacks -- advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel.

So it wasn't a "government" official, as in CIA, Bush Administration, etc., but someone in CA. There's no secret that the Bush Administration knew something was in the planning in September, possibly even September 11, and so there were warnings. Nothing coincidental about that either.



Huh? According to whom? No one on board the planes survived.



That's a pretty lucky coincidence, but not surprising since New York had already been attacked previously and it's not a stretch to think the Towers would make a perfect target.



I'm sure you could, but you really didn't provide anything that conclusively supports this theory.

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What do you mean "lack of oxygen?" The plane didn't hit the building in a vacuum, of course there was oxygen. Even if your 3/4 estimate is correct, that still leaves nearly 3,000 gallons of jet fuel to burn.



[/quote]Also, you can see that the fires are minor and only spread a few floors. There were only two enclosed fires, that would've taken two hoses to get rid of.[/quote]
That says more of the buildings' construction than anything else. The towers were designed to trap fires. Which, if you think about it, might have contributed to the collapses - it essentially concentrated the heat and fire in a small area relative to the size of the buildings.



Is that your opinion or is that what the experts say?

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Sorry, fixed quotes:

What do you mean "lack of oxygen?" The plane didn't hit the building in a vacuum, of course there was oxygen. Even if your 3/4 estimate is correct, that still leaves nearly 3,000 gallons of jet fuel to burn.



That says more of the buildings' construction than anything else. The towers were designed to trap fires. Which, if you think about it, might have contributed to the collapses - it essentially concentrated the heat and fire in a small area relative to the size of the buildings.



Is that your opinion or is that what the experts say?

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Well you've just proved my point, the towers were designed to trap fires. Therefore, being an isolated fire, it lacks the significant oxygen to burn at an extremely high temperature.

The towers also fell 10 floors per SECOND, now I don't think a fire could cause such destruction. If it weakened it as we were told, it would progressively crumbled underneath it's own weight, and it would've been slow.
It doesn't matter how hot the fire was, it would have some kind of resistance, and it wouldn't be so fast. It fell within an hour of being hit. The twin towers have had a multi-level fire, and it burned for 3 hours; it never fell.

And about the raging fire, that is a fact. That is what the experts say.

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Debbie

Host of Due in July 2006 - Hot Tots

I watched many documentaries on the fall of the towers and it was the HEAT from the fire which bent the metal which lead to the towers collapsing, it wasn't the fire itself.

Where do you get your information? Especially that "some" of the terrorists that were on the planes are still alive. I'm sorry, but nobody survived that attack.

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"Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged." -- Ronald Reagan

Just to make this statement clear... the multi-level fire that burned for 3 hours was in the 1970's.

This information is really the tip of the iceberg. I dont know how much research you have done on 9/11 but the government and the media have not disclosed a quarter of the facts. So much more happened that day and the days and weeks prior to 9/11 that many many people do not know. The things that my husband and I has found just makes TOO MUCH SENSE. I just feel we are being deceived. So many lives have been lost. You may think "why would OUR government do this?" or "There is no way that the government WOULD do this.' Well I thought the same exact thing until I saw what my husband had found. These are not hypothetical. These are facts, videos, and media footage of that day that seemed to have been overlooked by us. We were in shock that day concentrating on the buildings actually falling and just seeing those planes crash into the towers. If you sit back and actually watch it you will see what I mean. There are scientists that have studied how it is impossible for the towers to collapse the way they did, as fast as they did with just the crashing of the planes. The way they were constructed should NOT have permitted them to fall.


Here are some video clips for those interested. Most are about 10 minutes long. There is a movie too. If you would like to see that just let me know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsMgYgpyQj