This has nothing to do with Cheryl's thread about 'God is cruel', I just thought I would share with u all why I think 'God is cruel'............

When I married my ex, I met and fell in love with his wonderful family, his mum Lynette, his dad Colin, his sister Christine and his younger brother Jason.

About 6 months later, Christine met the man that she would eventually marry, Graham. They were a match made in heaven and were married on November 15, 1987.

Of course, they began not long after, but sadly Graham had been thru Chemo for Hodgkins Disease when he was younger and became infertile from it . This was found, after Christine was diagnose with PCOS and was unable to fall pg, so of course they ran tests on Graham and then made the discovery about his sterility.

In 1990, sadly my now ex father in law, was rushed to hospital after suffering a stroke. I was 34 wks pg with my DS Luke. Colin did not make it and passed away on Sept 26, 1990 from a massive heart attack .

Christine & Graham eventually went on to try the 'Donor Insemination' program, but unfortunately they did not have any luck in getting pg.

By the time I divorced Christine's brother (which was in 1996 and I already had 4 children), her & Graham had been for close to 8 years (with DI of course). I kept in touch with Christine & Graham, as my 4 children just adored their Aunty & Uncle because they treated them pretty much like they were their own.

Christine & Graham went on to try IVF and about a wk after I got my with Tarsha, Christine also got her very first aswell. I was soooo happy for her & Graham, by this time they had been for 15 years, yes 15 years.

Sadly, Christine's pg'y ended in a natural m/c at 5 wks, we were all devastated for her . This happened around October, 2003.

In Sept 2005, we discovered that Christine's mum, Lynette (whom I still considered my MIL), was diagnosed with stage 4 Breast Cancer. Sadly Lynette passed away on Nov 15, 2005.

So now, Christine has lost both her parents and is yet to have any children of her own with the man she cherishes, Graham.

Fast forward to April 22, 2008............I receive a frantic phone call from my DD Sarah, telling me that her Uncle Graham had just collapsed and died at work that day :cry. I was in total shock, to say the least.

Here is a wonderful woman, who never did anything bad to anyone and she has lost both her parents, not been able to have ANY children with the man she adores and now she has just lost her husband.

Now u know why I think 'God is cruel'........At least he could have let Christine & Graham grow old together, but no, that was not in his plan

Sorry that this is so long, but I just wanted to share with u all, what a wonderful person Christine is and say that she definately did not deserve what she has been thru.

Thanks for reading/listening!!

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Dianne I am so sorry for your family to have ever had to go through any of those things. I question all the time how God can let things like that happen.

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Im so sorry for your families loss. I agree, God is cruel. Im still grieving over my father and my brothers loss. I lost my dad in 2001(jan 26 2001, he was buried in feb 1 2001) from a stroke. I got custody of my brother cus he was mentally unfit in many areas, and needed 24/7 medical care. I had him for 5 years, then when I met my new DH (Jan 19 2006)he told me that he would no longer be around because he wants me to marry him and that his time was up soon and wanted me to have a normal life instead of caring for him (which my last DH left me cus I wouldnt put him in a group home. He passed away February 1, 2006, age 22 from heart failure(he had a heart transplant in 1995). To me I think that was an act of god, why take my brother on the date we buried our father? Why take him when he is so young? I was extremely close to both, and I remain angry as to why I could NOT stop my brothers death. I was always there for him, never left his side,bathed him, cooked for him, fed him, took him with me to the store, went with him to his appointments, then the one day I decide to leave him at home to rest (he wasnt feeling well), and come home to check on him, he died while I was out. ..I ended up getting engaged to my DH 11 days after my brother passed away, and married by the end of that year. . Im sorry to go on about my story, I truely am, but I do know how cruel god is. I sometimes am scared of God, as to what else I may loose. Im not that much of a relegious person, but I do have beleifs. HUGS, and know I am truly sorry for what happened in your family. You are all in my prayers.

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Mom to four boys

Sean (March 1997)
Justin (October 2000)
Kevin (January 2002)
Jayson (April 2003)
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TUBAL REVERSAL MAY 28, 2008 **Tube length** 7cm L - 8cm R
PROVERA 10mg/day started July 16-25th to hopefully induce my period

Spotting July 28, July 29 (light) July 30th Total arrival.
CLOMID 100mg/day Aug 2-6, O Aug 12th, Aug 28th(chemical pregnancy)
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Kevin, Jayson, Sean and Justin (May 2008)

Loving Wife to Stu 12/30/2008

well, i think we just need to realize that 'god' doesnt let or make things happen.
The universe has a way of doing whatever is meant to be done, for good or bad.
The human race physically has been almost poisoned as years pass... more cases of cancer,
more fatal diseases.... as man has gone forward and poisoned the earth, it is coming back to us it seems.
Who knows why we are here.
Maybe we each have a lesson to learn... maybe in a past life we were fertile and well etc, and maybe for some of this, in this life its time to expereince the other side of things. Maybe we each need to experience every aspect of humanity before we are truly done on this earthly realm. Love, hate, life, death, wealth, poverty, victim, victimize.... all the aspects of human nature.....
Why does a child die? Maybe that child was meant to bring a meaning into someones life... that childs soul doesnt suffer, WE suffer... horribley, but the child is returned to a place of love, while we maybe learn the preciousness of life? I dont know... Maybe people that grow up in drug addicted families were in a past life rich, well off and horribly cruel, maybe they were selfish and didnt appreciate the life they had, and therefore now had to be born into a life of 'not having'.....
to me, any of this makes just as much, or just as little sense as saying God in heaven brings such grief to some and such joy to others.

Thank you for sharing your story Diane.
I think all the time of the girl i grew up with who just aborted her 11th baby.. ten others, all in foster homes or adopted, some physically/mentally handicapped due to her drug use.... dont tell me god chose to Bless her.

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Di - I agree that life certainly doesn't make a lot of sense sometimes. Despite all that we've been through lately, I keep trying to remind myself of all of my blessings. Sergio is a wonderful husband and although we may not be rich, we live a comfortable enough life. Max is basically a healthy little boy who is smart and funny and just makes my life a little brighter each and every day. It may not be my life I "planned" but it's my life and after spending a week in the hospital I know I'm lucky to have it. That said....it doesn't mean I don't throw a pity party for myself from time to time.

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Andi

I am sorry for all the sad things that happened to you, but that isn't God..
God doesnt do things to be mean or cruel

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also...if you think that way, maybe you should look at your babies and still wonder that.
Not trying to be mean, but honest.

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K, I'm going out on a limb here. I don't want God getting all the rap for things... hear me out.
The bible tells conflicting stories on the nature of God, It seems over years that rather than the truth being "Man was created in the image of God" it is.. "The image of God has been created by Man". After all, we are not human beings having a spiritual experience, we are spiritual beings merely having a human experience... but here I digress...
So, yes, in the bible, although we are told, God is a loving God, God is Just, we are also told God is a jealous God, and we are told that if a child disrespects his parents, he is to be "stoned in front of the elders of the city", we are told that a woman who goes to church without her head covered should be held down and shaved of all her hair. God tells people to sacrifice their children, to offer up thier virgin daughters to theives, to kill all people, women and children of those who dont follow his way, and the list goes on. I was Roman CAtholic for many years, as well as Presbyterian and even did my stint as a Baptist for a bit.
Dont let the man-written stories of god Guide you in your judgement of the Divine, or God, Goddess, Allah, Jehova, or whatever name you call the great spirit......
I beg you,
when you see the sun setting, casting its shadows on the mountain side... when you watch the trees dance in the breeze, when you look into the eyes of your newborn babe, THAT is God, That is Love. God is Love. God is not a man who decides who lives, who dies etc etc. God is not some creature that sits on a literal throne and decides who gets to have babies and who doesnt. God is pure love.....
All the bad stuff? that is the doings of man....
Man overpopulates the world, man introduces GMO foods and hormone laced dairy, and polluted streams and air and Man is the one that choses to ingest poisons into his body as well as the beautiful earth that we live on. Cancer, illness, even infertility.. is it Gods fault that we are poisoning our own race? That our hormones are becoming wrecked? Is it God's fault that we decide to alter our bodies through sterilization?
None of this is God... it is the side effect of living in a "civilized world", where convenience is at our fingertips.
The natural, beautiful simplicity.. THAT is God.
All the other crap, the man-made garbage and man made situations that have arisen over the years due to greed and a need for power and a need to BUY BUY BUY and own everything and control everything THAT is what is cruel.
Put aside the bible for a moment.
It was written by man.
Over thousands of years, many translations, and MANY parts which we do not even know about because the church keeps it from the people.
From the bible studies I did over the years in study group, on different bible versions, words have been transposed to suit the times. Regardless of what anyone says.
Im not just some ignorant fool, anti-christian what-not. I am an intelligent person who has spent years and years reading all sorts of religious literature before I finally came to find myself on the path i'm on.
So....
Is god cruel?
No... God is love. Love, PURE love, can not be cruel. Because pure love is the infinite truth. Have you ever been SO moved by sumthing, the way your child looks at you, or sumthing in nature that took your breath away, SO moved that you felt tears well up in your eyes? THAT is god.Pure wonderful energy. And we are so wrapped up in all the crap that goes on in the world, all the drama that unfolds around us due to the collective insanity of mankind, that WE dont even SEE the beauty anymore.
Ok
Rant over.
Nothing personal at anyone,
You are all very close and dear to me.

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