Crazy chart

Lauren23 · #1 (**permalink**) 05-27-2006, 07:45 AM

For some reason my temps are all crazy this month. Last month I had a definite "pre o" and "post o" temp pattern, this month I really wonder if I'll be able to tell..what do you guys think? I have no idea why my temps are like this, I am getting a full night's sleep and am pretty much always up at the same time. We sleep with our ceiling fan on this month because its been hotter at night, that is the only change I can think of..oh and I have been taking Synthroid for hypothyroid, too.

Chart: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/11a148

Star622 · #2 (**permalink**) 05-27-2006, 10:51 AM

I wouldn't worry about pre-o temps too much. The only thing that I recall indicating any type of issue is very low temps which sometimes can be due to thyroid issues. I'm sure there are some other things, but it's been a long while since I've researched. You have that issue taken care of and your temps aren't all that low anyways so that appears to be a non-issue.

Your post O temps on your last chart are higher than where your temps are now. You should be able to see a shift. IMO, I really don't think temps during af are anything to be worried about. I'd focus more on the shift and post-o temps. My post-o temps did somewhat match with my p4 levels as far as nice shifts, low temps, hardly any rise and steady temps etc. Of course that was no scientific study, but it was fun to compare.

Some cycles are just going to be different than others and that's perfectly normal.

Lauren23 · #3 (**permalink**) 05-27-2006, 11:23 AM

Oh, I thought that temps (pre o) were supposed to be like the same, like all within a certain range. For instance, last cycle, all of my pre o temps were right around 97.5 to 97.7. Now, so far they are so up and down..is that a bad thing?

Star622 · #4 (**permalink**) 05-27-2006, 11:28 AM

I've never once worried about my pre-o temps. I have charts going back 3 years. No one has ever suggested it being a problem on the boards from what I've seen since I've charted. Everything is starting to blur together so I could be mistaken.

I've only seen thyroid issues questioned with really low temps.

Let me check a few things to see what I can find.

Star622 · #5 (**permalink**) 05-27-2006, 11:55 AM

I know I've asked you this before, but I can't recall the answer. Is this your second chart?

TCOYF suggests excluding temps that don't follow the rule of thumb. They suggest when the temps might be artificially high due to fever, restless, alcohol etc.

This doesn't seem to be your situation. The book also says that the preovulatory phase can vary considerably both between women and within any one woman's pattern from cycle to cycle. I've dropped a few on my charts before.

Also, do you get the same exact number of hours of sleep each night? That may affect things. Stress can affect it as well.

Unless you see some type of pattern, I would try not to worry. For example, if you had really high temps in the pre-o phase, yet the cycle turned out to be anovulatory then there could possibly be a connection. But, how many charts would you need to prove that pattern? KWIM? Most doctors would probably brush it off as a coincidence. They like b/w and u/s's.

I've analyzed my charts over and over. (not lately) I was able to predict when a cycle might be ano, but temps alone didn't help me. Also, it wasn't hard to do if I only ovulated 50% of the time on my medicated clomid cycles.
The more charts one has the more patterns one can possibly find. Is there a medical explanation for every pattern?

For some, I'd say yes for example a very short lp.

Lauren23 · #6 (**permalink**) 05-27-2006, 01:13 PM

Thanks for your help! My doctor doesen't like charting, he said there are too many variables. He did blood work on cd8 but I won't get the results until next week..I also had an u/s done on cd10 but all the tech told me was that I had some "cysts" on both ovaries. I said "well can't you be seeing follicles as I will be ovulating soon?" and she said "oh no, u/s don't show ovulation or eggs, the eggs are way too small. The only way you can prove ovulation is the opk or blood test testing lh surges". Well I don't have any pain on my ovaries, so I am really curious how many and how big the cysts are and why they are there..but again, no results from my doctor for a week or two. I could have sworn I heard somewhere that cysts on the ovaries around ovulation is normal because its the follicles maturing..

Star622 · #7 (**permalink**) 05-27-2006, 01:39 PM

Follicles are fluid fill cysts. They may or may not contain eggs. You only would know that from IVF with egg retrieval and with that, they may or may not be mature.

I would ask the size of those "cysts". You'll know once you get to around 20mm that they are close to maturing.

I'd start looking for a second opinion if possible.

Most of my doctors don't care for charting. One ob that I had a short stay with like charting, but only like it on his charts.

Those charts made no sense to me.

I was headed to an RE, actually just using up time until my RE appt. date, when I had that visit.

The most accurate detecting of ovulation is pregnancy. B/W is the next best thing I guess!!

That's why monitoring is so important. I actually debated a late O with my first ob/gyn, but the order for b/w kept getting lost at my local hospital. Darn! I wanted to prove I was right with my temp rise and timely af. He insisted I wouldn't have O'd that late. He also liked to test progesterone at cd21. Sigh... He wasn't old (like his father in the practice) and shouldn't have been stuck in textbook cycles. .

He should know better than that!!!

Keep me posted on those "cysts". You are getting your progesterone tested at some point, right?

Lauren23 · #8 (**permalink**) 05-27-2006, 04:18 PM

On cd8 he drew for lh, tsh, fsh, progesterone, and prolactin..I think the "cysts" she saw were follicles because I have had a cyst in the past and it hurt! Also, that was on cd10 and here I am on cd12 and I am having signs of impending ovulation..my breasts are getting sore, I am having creamy/wet cm, my cp is high and open, and my ferning was full fern today. We are avoiding now because we want to start ttc in about 6 months (so they will be 2-3 years apart) but I just want to know what is going on w/ my cycles because the last cycle I didn't o until like cd20 or 21 and before that I didn't o at all. We'll see I guess..