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Submission!
This is a discussion on Submission! within the Christian Families - Born Again forums, part of the Culture category; I've fallen in love with the concept this semester and I'm working hard on improving in this area!
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Difficult to write an answer. Something along the lines of willing to trust others even tho i feel i may know better (when i probably dont). Like we have to submit to God, out of love, but also because He knows what is right. Authority-wise we have to submit to those God has put to oversee the Church and it is to listen, learn, take heed of what they say, respect them and obey.
Hope that makes sense. Obviosuly there is more to it and im sure others will add.
21Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
I'm thinking mainly of Ephesians 5:20.
Before this year I had NEVER heard anyone teach this. Submit to ONE ANOTHER!! I have to submit to everyone??!!! CRAZY!! But it's such a beautiful thing and such great practice for what comes right after it:
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22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
I've mainly been working on submission to parents! It's so easy to get caught up in the world's idea that once you move out, you don't have to listen to parents anymore. But, saved or not, they are my authority until I get married. I have to listen to them and respect them, joyfully!!, even when I totally disagree!! I've been retraining my mind in that area and our relationship is SO much better, when I just say ok, dad...ok, mom!
Roommates!! Dishes...dishwashers, cleaning anything. SUBMIT, work as if I am working for the Lord. It's so easy for me too get hung up in thinking that well they haven't done the dishes in weeks, so I don't have to! So not biblically...our pastor always says: You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours is not biblical! We have to be constantly scratching backs, no matter if we get something in return!
People think its such a crazy concept, but Christ submitted the the Father and died for us.... I think I can submit to a few people!
One of the main problems is that there is a subheading in the NIV (one of the most popular transaltions) between Eph 5:21 "submit to one another out of reverence for Christ" and 22 "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything." and so so many times the submission verses are lost when it comes to the household and between husbands and wives. The verses have to be read in context and unfortunately in the past they have not been and women have been pushed down (if that makes sense).
Quick clear-up...are you saying people aren't realizing we must submit to each other because of the subheading in the NIV and only see the wives/husband part??
Sorry, just had my last final and my brain is fried!
Yeah. I know that in the past the verse has been quoted out of context and women have been dominated by the husbands supposedly because that is what the bible says. Because of the subheading folk start from verse 22 and havent went back to the previous verse which is the key verse in this matter.
Same with women in the church. Its been taught for generations that women should not teach or even speak in the church because that is what Paul says in the NT. If you look behind the verses and go a little deeper Paul doesnt ever say that.
In 1 Timothy 2:12 it says
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I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
Right before it Paul writes
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A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. (verse 11)
. The same with anything, you cant teach what you dont know. Women were first to learn what to teach and then go and teach it. Back when Paul wrote the letters women got very little education and so wouldnt have had such a depth of the scriptures which is what was and is required in any subject, especially the Scriptures. God often warns about false teachings and to be aware of them and stay away from them.
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As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work—which is by faith. The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. 1 Tim 1:3-7 (NIV)
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In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. 2Tim 4:1-5 (NIV)
I saw a teaching about 2 years ago called the Generational Gap that really opened this whole thing up. It was all about women and their role in the church. One question that was raised was -
Would you rather have a good female pilot flying a plane or a bad male pilot flying a plane? You would go with the female every time right?. Same with being taught the Scriptures. As long as its the truth and it brings you into a closer relationship to God it shouldnt matter if its a man or a woman.
Submission in my house is equal between my dh and I, we are each others helpmates. It's all about respect. We are both the heads of our house, we both bring in an income to support our family, we both make decisions. It's an equal partnership. I know that some may disagree with the way our marriage works, but God is leading us and that is what matters to me.
Kim
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