Debate

BooBoo · #1 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 06:06 AM

Ok, so what'd ya'll think of the debate?

babypatience · #2 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 06:45 AM

I think Bush did exactly what he intended. The differences in the candidates view/contrasts were quite eveident. I know many and i included wish he had gone after Kerry a little more but.. that is NOT Bush's style.

However I hope the American people really paid attention. Bush did not call a few things to the attention that Kerry did even during the debate. Of course DH and I personally don't believe any body watches this stuff but those like us who are very into politics.... Maybe the first 15 min... we watch all and then click to C-Span to re-catch the stuff we want to see again

Okay back to paying attention. Did any of you notice that Kerry's plan for a "Better" war is more summits and working with bigger coalitions. He blamed Bush for North Korea (Not that this reflects on Kerry but lets not forget NK would NOT have nuclear capability had it not been for clinton.) ... Well he is ALL about disparaging our Iraq coalition as not a real one and says we are by ourselves yet.. he wants to go after N Korea by ourselves. Which has proven to NOT work. HELLO!!! Are you for or against.

I think the biggest contrast is Kerry is willing to give our National Security over to the UN or some "global test" whatever the Heck that is. Does the US carry the burden for the majority of the war YES!! But then again as history shows we have typically carried the burden.. that is part of being a blessed nation.
As for why do we pursue nukes and tell others not to!! Hello the threat is nuclear weapons int he HANDS OF TERRORISTS / roque nations!! Unless someone like Clinton is in office we don't give or sell our nuclear capabilities (note above and N Korea). We are not the problem.
I think Bush made it perfectly clear that Kerry will wait till we are attacked before he sees going after terrorists or roque nations as necessary. Bush on the other hand sees the world differently and when a threat is growing and immeninet we go there first so we dont have 300 school children murdered. Note Russia got hit and they did not go to Iraq.

I wish Bush had gone after Kerry a little more. But.. Like I said that is not his way. He corrected Kerry SEVERAL times when Kerry was plain wrong (As Bush himself said) and I think that is noticable to anybody paying attention and again if you were watching you probably were. Did Kerry look smoother? Yes I will give him that but you know what that has been Kerry's problem all along IMO.. he is all looks and show and no substance..
His plan for Iraq 4 points:
1.) Summits
2.) Bigger Coalition
3.) Give soilders what need
4.) Opps forgot this one..

Anyway I would like to ask him how does he think he is going to get a bigger coalition France and Germany have already said they are not sending troops no matter who is prez.
Soilders getting what they need... well how did YOU vote Senator?
Summits?? Hmmm more meetings.. that is reallly going to get alot done. Not to mention as Bush pointed out we had those and are having those.

Kerry to me is very insulting to the Sitting Prez of Iraq and Bush pointed that out I AGREE!! HOw to you expect to build a nation when you are so degrading to the leader. Bush had NEVER spoken so negativly about a leader.. policies yes but personal attacks NO!! Kerry calls this man a puppet!! How insulting.. and Bush pointed that out.

I am not sure what Kerry constititues success in Iraq. We have handed over Freedom to the Iraq interim govt and are helping as they (Iraq govt) want us too and need us. That is our job now.. not to go in and take over again.

As for Afganistan.. people this is a multi front war as Bush said. Terroists are in many places and Iraq was a haven for them. SH himself was a terrorist to his own people. But regardless we had enough reason to go in based on the broken resolutions. If the UN is going to enforce their own resolutions then by george if the UN is going to mean anything someone and it was us this tme better!

I am done...
All in all Kerry "looked" better but substance wise Bush was far superior. He was concise and his message in the debate was very clear and I belive made quite well. You must have a prez that is strong and steadfast. A US Prez can not approach policies as a popularity contest or change his mind over poltics/polls. I agree... I think fear of retailiation is a wonderful deterent.

Of course I could say more but I will stop now!

lexiqb · #3 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 07:07 AM

I watched the whole thing. To me I could relate to Bush, I understood him. He said things that normal Americans can understand. Kerry gets to technical and although I do undertand him he makes it harder. Bush connected Kerry didn't. Did Kerry do a better job as far as looking better, yea but Bush was far better at getting his message across!

ChristinaM · #4 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 07:13 AM

I agree with everything you said, and I just want to add some things that were not touched on.

I think president Bush did a wonderful job of showing how Kerrys indecisiveness on these isssues will discredit America, and we would not get the help that he would be seeking from foreign leaders. When Bush talked about Kerry presenting his package to ask for help for a war we should not be fighting I think that was very powerful. Why would anyone want to ally with a war that is nothing but a diversion? I also think that Kerrys plan is very much based on if situations go how I want them to tehn we could be pulling out this summer. I think it is extremely ignorant to have a plan based in if thens.

I think that kerrys idea on bilateral communication with North Korea is a flip flop in itself. Here we have a multilateral communication set in place where Countries like China are working on this issue and Kerry wants to tell them all to step aside and we will deal with it ourelves. WTF. Then in his next breath he discredits Bush for not going along with the UN after exhausting them and went at it alone in Iraq. Come on Kerry where do you stand?

Another thing I want to bring up is how people are saying that Bush did not utilize his 2 minutes enough and that he fell back on repitition more than he should have.

Personally I feel that he debate was over in the first 20 minutes. Bush kncked him down. Hit it out of the park and the rest of it was just filler. Kerry loves to talk and dances circles aroud himself. Bush doesn't screw around. He makes his point and he is done. How many ways is there to say sorry but you are not the man for the job.

Personally I think Kerry has made too many promises and his ideas are to utopian for me and while they sound great, we live in reality here.

Andrew is up dang it.

Farmer_Manda · #5 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 08:04 AM

I didn't watch a whole lot of the debate. I think i was done watching by 9:30. Why? Cuz i could not stand watching kerry for another moment. He really danced around questions a lot and made a lot of empty promises that he could never fulfill if he was pres, that is without really increasing our taxes.

I think Bushs responses had a lot more passion to his answers, he really knew his stuff though yes both sides really repeated themselves a lot. But in that kind of situation, i probably would too, that would eb sooo nerve wrecking. LOL people just ready to tear apart what he says that he wants to make sure he words things right so he says the things he knows he has right a few extra times but that does help ingrain in peoples minds too. Like today i have it really grained into my mind that kerry thinks iraq is a war thats for wrong reasons in a wrong place at the wrong time. I think thats how it went lol.. I also find it very funny that kerry thinks he is so much more eligable to be president because he did serve on a swiftboat and had a few superfical wounds. I love my veterans but that doesn't make them capable of running a country. 20 years in the senate really doesn't either atleast with the track record either..
I remember bush was asked some question about what would happen to something if kerry was to be president and how would he handle it. Or something like that. I loved bush's response "well thats not ever going to happen because im winning this election" HAHAHHA.. I love his optimistic views..

Farmer_Manda · #6 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 08:07 AM

btw....... i can't figure out why anyone would still be pro kerry after that. It was so obvious atleast to me how fake kerry is.. *shrugs* though im sure most of the kerry supporters didn't watch the debate... and the ones who did watch, are probably only voting for kerry because they dont like bush... which IMO they should just not vote instead of voting for someone just because they dont like the other person. Thats stupid voting. I know no one is voting for kerry because of what he stands for! How do i know? because kerry doesn't even know what he stands for.... or against so how can anyone else? lol

OAndrea · #7 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 01:28 PM

OK the one thing that really stuck out to me... did anyone else hear it, it was in the first minute and a half and John Kerry was speaking... he was saying something and he said "which the President has ALMOST NOT DONE." WTF is that? That to me is going to be the one thing in this entire debate that is going to be repeated in my head over and over, and while it isn't even an import part of the whole debate it just set the whole tone for me and made it hard for me to take him serious on any level.
I think Bush is a down to Earth man and I love how he stood up for his core values. I think this is important to everyone. We cannot have a man who has no solid value system in place to be the President. Bushes core values have been the same from the get go and they are what help him to make his decisions and I trust his core values.

BabyGirlsx2 · #8 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 02:25 PM

Yeah I also watched the debate and was ready to choke Keniving Kerry in the first 10 minutes. What really had me going was KK's saying of Wrong War, Wrong Place, Wrong Time. I think that is just another way of him saying he don't support our troops. Dumb Dumb, open your eyes!!! Your the one who voted against the $87 billion supplementary to our troops. KK then said in a previous statement that he didnt support killing, then he said he would go aftet the terroists and kill them his self. He cant decide which side of the fence he is on. I've noticed this on so many of his statements. The man can't even tell when he is telling the truth his self anymore. Every time KK decided to accuse Mr. Bush of something, Bush backed his self up. KK just kept telling his lies. I could go on and on how KK is a liar and Bush is the man for the job but will stop here.